Why Sanjay Almost Changed His Name to Steve – Chasing Life

It is a sunny Could afternoon in Manhattan. Individuals are all gathered at Columbus Park in Chinatown for the 2022 Asian American and Pacific Islander Care Truthful. There are lunchboxes with Filipino desserts, cute canines on skateboards and a henna tattoo station. In the meantime, over on the basketball courts…

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A bunch of about 50 individuals, largely Asian American ladies, are participating in a self-defense class led by Muay Thai fighter Jess Ng.

I by no means deliberate to show these lessons, however actually, ever for the reason that pandemic, it has been simply heartbreaking simply to see the movies, again and again, every day.

She’s speaking about movies of assaults towards Asian People, on the subway, within the streets, even at their very own properties. These assaults have actually taken a toll on this neighborhood, one thing Jess has seen firsthand at her self-defense lessons.

It was heartbreaking seeing grandmothers present up on a Sunday on the occasion, signing themselves up, coming, can barely do a leaping jack. Like on a Sunday morning, they need to be grocery buying or on the park with their mates or seeing their grandchildren not signing as much as take a rattling self protection class as a result of they know they will get mugged in the event that they got down to simply purchase groceries or purchase milk.

For the reason that starting of the COVID 19 pandemic, advocates say there have been greater than 10,000 reported incidents of anti-Asian hate. And it is affected the psychological and bodily well being of Asian People throughout the nation. That is the explanation why Jess and a whole lot of others are right here on the CARE Truthful right this moment.

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The occasion was put collectively by native nonprofit Soar Over Hate. The group was began to assist the neighborhood shield themselves from the continued violence and to heal from their trauma.

Mentally, they’ve nightmares. You recognize, it is onerous to sleep. You recognize, you simply break down so much out of nowhere. You recognize, and even for those who’re not the sufferer and you are a member of the family of the sufferer, like, you are hurting for the opposite individual as a result of that you simply weren’t there.

Within the final two years, advocates say one in 5 Asian People who’ve skilled racism have proven signs of racial trauma. That is a phrase psychologists use to explain the psychological and emotional hurt brought on by racism. And racial trauma would not simply have an effect on Asian People. It impacts many individuals of shade, together with Black and Brown communities. On this episode, we’ll take a more in-depth have a look at racial trauma, and we’ll discover how we are able to all do our half to help one another and heal from the harms inflicted by racism. I am Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s Chief Medical Correspondent. And it is time to begin chasing life.

Actually in the US, and fascinated with our historical past, race or racial trauma is, it is on the basis of our nation for individuals of shade. That is the way you’re seen, that is the way you’re judged, that is the way you’re paid. That is how your life issues or would not matter.

That is Sherry Wang, a professor of psychology at Santa Clara College in California. She research well being disparities in minority and refugee communities. And just lately, Sherry began trying into racial trauma within the Asian American neighborhood. For her, the work is private.

I am an immigrant, truly, so I used to be born in Taiwan, and I got here to the U.S. on the age of six. I grew up in in a suburb in Los Angeles, and it was a primarily, , Asian American, Chinese language American neighborhood. So I’ve grown up with actually robust roots, truly, and seeing those that appear like me in TV reveals and newspapers, going to eating places and I really feel like that actually buffered me properly. That is actually so essential to the racial delight that I’ve right this moment.

I take into consideration this. I am going to simply let you know, Sherry, my expertise is just a little bit totally different solely in that I used to be born in the US. My mother and father are immigrants to the US, however we lived in a extremely, actually small city in rural Michigan. So there was no one that seemed like me, that had a reputation that was like mine, that ate the meals that we ate. My garments after I would go to high school, had a particular odor to them as a result of my mother at all times cooked with the very particular spices and stuff of her, her cooking. So there was, it was the whole lot. It was the smells, the sights, the sounds that had been totally different. For you, you are an immigrant to the nation, six years previous. So that you’re you are a baby. You are still, , form of barely figuring issues out. What was it like?

I left California after highschool and have simply come again, , a number of years in the past after faculty, after grad faculty, after spending the primary few years within the Deep South, proper? Doing racial justice work. And so I hadn’t realized what a bubble of privilege I lived in. And I noticed, truly, the social capital and the cultural capital of what it’s prefer to dwell in a neighborhood the place you see, not simply individuals who appear like you or converse such as you, however variety in quite a lot of methods.

That time period cultural capital, social capital that you’ve, I imply, it says so much, that time period. And I feel it means so much. After I after I was younger, Sherry, most likely across the age that you simply had been whenever you got here to the US, six, seven years previous, and impulsively, I believed to myself that if I modified my title to Steve, as a result of it was Steve Austin, “The Six Million Greenback Man,” which was the tv present.

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If I modified my title to Steve, it was going to unravel all my issues. That was it. I might be Steve. I might be, , simply completely, , assimilated, I assume, tailored nonetheless you wish to — after all I used to be foolish, however I used to be a child. So, I went to my mother, who I believed was going to be very offended with me, and she or he principally mentioned, “okay, positive, for those who suppose that that is going to unravel all the issues then let’s do it.” And sort of gave me an evening to consider it. And after I slept on it, which is what I feel her plan was all alongside, I noticed that it was a extremely foolish thought. I should not do it and I by no means modified my title.

I do not suppose it is foolish in any respect that you considered altering your title. And I skilled that so much, truly, with people who, they Americanize their title once they introduce themselves or they’ve a special title. And however that could be a product of our our society, truly. We’re mistaken. That is on us as a neighborhood, that we let individuals really feel like they’ve to vary their names to be extra acceptable.

I’ve to let you know, trying again, I do not suppose I actually realized how, at the same time as a child, that I intuitively understood how a lot race truly affected my place on this planet. I did not give it some thought that a lot. I simply realized that I wished to vary my title, for instance. It was admittedly form of this very simplistic and superficial repair to the issue of racism, however I used to be six or seven years previous. I did not notice the longer lasting and deeper results. And racism, clearly, it impacts not simply our names, it impacts how a lot cash we make, how completely happy we’re, how lengthy we dwell. We all know it is related to poorer bodily well being, issues like hypertension and weight problems, and in addition our psychological well being, our optimism, our outlook on the world. This entire thought, this idea of racial trauma in psychology, one thing that so much about. I imply, what’s it? How do you describe racial trauma?

You recognize, racial trauma is a time period that’s not like a diagnostic label. You’ll be able to’t diagnose any person as having it or not having it. It is a course of, proper? It’s an ongoing course of, an ongoing results of, , racism, racist bias, publicity to racism, even in, , media, or to people who you like or care about. And it is the sort of trauma that impacts you the place maybe you’ll be able to nonetheless perform and do the issues it’s essential do. However it could actually additionally, for some people, get to that degree the place it impedes your potential to have the ability to be in relationships, to get to work, to perform, to pay attention, to really feel secure, or to even get off the bed.

What triggers racial trauma?

For Asian People, at the very least, proper, within the U.S. context, the final two years have been an onslaught of racial trauma. You recognize, I do not suppose you even must have immediately been the sufferer of a hate crime or a hate incident and even something racist, however you are seeing what is occurring to different individuals who appear like you. You are seeing messages about how individuals see individuals who appear like you. You are scared for the protection of your self, purely due to your race, proper? It isn’t what you are doing or not doing. It is as a result of they do not like the best way you look and the assumptions those that have due to the best way you look. And it isn’t only for you. It is a concern to your family members. That could be a fixed hypervigilance and a concern and nervousness of strolling on eggshells since you by no means know at what level and when and who, you could possibly be attacked by on the premise of racism.

Simply witnessing it, , possibly not even essentially immediately experiencing it, however simply witnessing it. I think about whenever you whenever you consider it in that context, all people, , could or could also be susceptible to this. I imply, have you ever, do you think about your self as somebody who has skilled racial trauma? And in that case, what what occurred? What did you expertise and the way did it manifest?

I get requested on a regular basis. You recognize, “you speak so much about racial trauma. What’s your expertise of racism, , particularly within the context of COVID?” And I often take that chance to say, truly, I’ve not been a sufferer of, , overt anti-Asian hate. However do I feel I am experiencing racial trauma? Completely. Simply any time I choose up my cellphone for the final two and a half years and scroll by social media or activate the information or look into the information, or simply take into consideration stepping exterior of my home to go grocery buying. My mother was visiting from Taiwan for a interval and we talked about taking walks across the neighborhood. I used to be very scared for her to even stroll exterior of our home and stroll down the block.

I take into consideration my mother. Whenever you’re describing your mother like that. What did you suppose may occur?

Oh, my goodness. I imply, there’s simply there’s been so many incidents of elders who’ve been shoved to demise, pushed, punched, brutally crushed. For what? You recognize, as they’re strolling down the road, for for no purpose. That may simply be any of our mother and father, truly. And so I feel that could be a concern that each single Asian American individual has proper now by way of feeling protecting, not solely of our youngsters, as a result of that is what we have seen a bullying with kids, too, proper? COVID 19 associated anti-Asian racism in the direction of children. But additionally our elders.

What are the signs? Somebody who, who’s experiencing racial trauma, which is lots of people, once more, as you level out, what are the signs that they could have?

Properly, what? Survival mode is without doubt one of the signs, I might say, proper? Simply because any person just isn’t talking up or talking out or going to the physician, doesn’t imply that they don’t seem to be affected by racial trauma. What we truly find out about communities of shade, particularly Asian People, in the case of psychological well being care utilization, is that they are typically referred from the emergency room or from their normal doctor due to somatic signs like complications and gastrointestinal upsets, proper? You recognize, we’ve a saying in psychotherapy that no matter you do not work by, works by you. Like your physique is, can not maintain the burden and the burden of what you’ve gotten been attempting to suppress for thus lengthy.

Lots of people who’re listening proper now, Sherry, who could say, “yeah, that these experiences that Sherry and Sanjay are speaking about sound so much like mine. Perhaps, I’ve additionally skilled racial trauma. I am undecided I acknowledge it.” Do most individuals acknowledge it?

You recognize, I feel it would be very onerous to as a result of, , I feel people who’re struggling essentially the most must be in survival mode. You are busy attempting to simply make it day-to-day, that possibly you are dissociating. Perhaps you need to numb your self. Perhaps you are pondering, I simply cannot have a look at the information anymore as a result of I am so overwhelmed. Individuals are low on bandwidth and I’ve heard people say, “it isn’t that I do not care. I simply cannot. I am I am numb. I am unable to really feel anymore. And I am nonetheless behind by way of how I really feel two years in the past, I’ve not recovered from what occurred two years in the past. I am nonetheless additionally attempting to outlive COVID. I am nonetheless petrified of getting COVID or having my children get COVID.” I imply, I feel we’re simply everyone seems to be burned out, truly. And that burnout, I actually wish to emphasize, is totally different for individuals of shade. All people goes by COVID. However for individuals of shade and fascinated with how we’re seeing so many of those violent atrocities unfold, it’s a totally different degree.

Is that this getting worse? I imply, you examine this professionally. Is that this getting worse? And do you carry optimism in regards to the future with regard to this?

Gosh, the place do I begin? This isn’t new. You recognize, President Joe Biden, whereas I admire that he has mentioned issues like.

It is mistaken. It is un-American. And it should cease.

I admire him saying it has to cease, however truly it isn’t un-American. It’s truly very American to be anti-Asian, It dates all the best way again by our legal guidelines and our insurance policies and our practices and main key occasions to from, , the 1875 Web page Act, which actually handled the immigration of girls, proper. as being introduced right here for the needs of prostitution. So then the 1882 Chinese language Exclusion Act, after which we maintain quick forwarding, then proper to Japanese internment camp, how we handled People of Japanese descent, proper? like September 11 and Islamophobia after which how we deal with the Sikh neighborhood and the way we deal with brown people. It is simply, this isn’t new. Anti-Asian racism just isn’t new. And this may occur many times and once more. I feel it is extra of a cyclical factor. This time it is COVID. We had SARS earlier than, we had Swine flu. We had Ebola. These have all been racialized illnesses. And so, , individuals of shade have at all times been feared in that manner. And for Asian People, we bear the burden of being perpetually seen as yellow peril.

Final yr, Sherry carried out a examine of Asian People who’ve been the victims of racial abuse or violence within the first six months of the pandemic. She discovered that anti-Asian racism is pervasive and it is normalized in our society. It isn’t simply the violent and the overt incidents reported within the media. It additionally occurs every day, at work, in school, at dwelling, might even come from mates, household authority figures. And to make issues worse, Asians who skilled racism are sometimes dismissed.

One of many findings, actually was Asian American experiences of feeling like, “properly, who am I to complain about racism in comparison with Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner?” And it wasn’t simply Asian People feeling like, I haven’t got a proper to complain about racism, “what’s my ache in comparison with Black American racial trauma?” It was additionally messages that had been getting from the bigger society with people saying, “wait a minute, Asian People? You guys are individuals of shade? What do you all find out about racism?” And so that’s the expertise that’s occurring nationally, truly, the place Asian People are like, “wait a minute, for those who do not suppose we’re individuals of shade, then you definitely actually cannot see how this racism hurts us.” After which we, as a neighborhood to, I feel, internalize that, to say, “properly, then who’re we to complain about racism?” After I did my examine, anti-Asian racism, I used to be very intentional about doing the examine that was sufferer centered. So it wasn’t actually about like what was performed to you by a perpetrator, but additionally like who was round you whenever you skilled racism? Like, what had been the bystanders doing? As a result of I feel that places the onus of duty on additionally, all of us, relatively than a perpetrator and a sufferer. And a lot of what occurred is after the very fact, proper? The silence that follows when no one checks in on you afterwards, proper? Individuals who see however ignore, or people who find themselves utterly in denial about what occurred to you. It is a silence that follows the sentiments that do not get validated. The story that by no means will get advised.

Speaking about this, , I do suppose once more, I assume possibly everybody who’s listening form of possibly reflecting on their very own experiences. And, , I keep in mind even going again to my childhood when if there was some very direct, overt bullying occurring, I at all times knew who the antagonist was. However I feel on reflection, the factor that sort of caught with me as a lot, if no more, was the individuals who had been standing round not doing something and possibly even mocking or, , taunting or no matter, , actually not serving to. And that that that was so isolating.

It is a betrayal. And generally it will be individuals who you thought had been your folks. You recognize, and but in that scenario, when it counted essentially the most, they didn’t stand up. They weren’t your folks. They they betrayed you, as you say. It is unimaginable whenever you form of have a look at this now. I am in my early fifties and now I really feel like I’ve had this, , many years very long time to form of mirror. And albeit, Sherry, I did not mirror very a lot for a very long time. I imply, this can be a newer factor for me to look again and say, “okay, , I used to be simply form of getting by, transferring by, , not elevating my head up too excessive for concern of getting it whacked down, , no matter it could be.” However I take into consideration racial trauma now. And now that I am a dad, I’ve three teenage ladies. I give it some thought so much, possibly greater than I ever have in my life. However earlier than you mentioned that is one thing that is cyclical. It’ll come and go. Does it cycle in the direction of higher or is it similar to, what are my children going to expertise once they’re my age? What are my children’ children going to expertise once they’re my age?

I’ve hope. I do have hope, truly, and that’s what retains me going. And the place I discover hope is in neighborhood care, truly, that that is the place I discover the best quantity of hope as a result of, , with the entire hate and the violence and the trauma, there’s quite a lot of discuss policing and quite a lot of discuss legal justice. And and I feel these are all after the very fact, proper?. As actually well being care suppliers, each you and I, we, I feel, are conscious of the truth that these issues are therapy and intervention, not prevention. Our society doesn’t put money into prevention care. We don’t throw cash or sources in prevention. And that’s actually what we have to do.

What would you, what would you say to somebody who’s who’s battling this proper now?

I might say for anybody and everybody that’s battling racial trauma, initially, know that all of us are and that it is truly very human of you to to be hurting in the best way that you’re, as a result of we’re, our society just isn’t doing properly. So I simply I actually wish to validate that first after which so as to add to it, that, what fuels me and motivates me is considering, properly, what privilege and energy do I’ve to have the ability to make a distinction, in ways in which I want others might do for me. That is the place I feel energy sharing is so essential. The place do we’ve privilege and energy in methods the place after we say one thing, after we stick up for somebody in ways in which they can not and that they can’t be taken critically, and so they can do this for us, oh, my gosh, what sort of society would we be constructing then? As a result of I do not ever have to talk on behalf of my very own victimization. That is not one thing we must be asking victims to do anyhow, proper? The individuals round you ought to be talking up and rallying for you. The individuals round you must have stopped it from occurring to start with. The individuals round you ought to be holding you and cherishing you and serving to you and ensuring this does not occur once more. Let’s be these individuals for others after which hopefully different individuals will wish to do this for us too. And that could be a society that I feel we wish to construct for our youngsters.

After we come again, recommendation from Professor Sherry Wang about how we are able to heal from racial trauma. Plus, the self-defense teacher, Jess Ng, reveals us how we are able to all be fighters and if crucial, take issues into our personal palms.

To start with, I sort of simply ignored her and seemed away. After which I used to be like, “no, I am not going to f***ing look away.”

And now again to Chasing Life.

My title is Jess Ng. I am a Muay Thai fighter. I am from Queens. What we’ll do right this moment is simply discuss situational consciousness. And likewise …

That is Jess Ng, the self-defense teacher from earlier within the episode. For 14 years, Jess has been training Muay Thai. It is a type of martial arts from Thailand. In 2017, she was the Pan American champion in her weight class.

Women and gents, after 5 rounds of motion, your winner, Jess Ng.

However irrespective of how good of a fighter she is, Jess additionally is not exempt from a few of the horrors these days of being an Asian American lady in America.

March of 2020, earlier than the lockdown, I took the subway through the day and there was a lady that didn’t need me to be on the prepare together with her as a result of she thought I had COVID or she blamed me for COVID. She was sucking her enamel and she or he would , I felt the strain rise.

Jess felt threatened. She was nervous this lady may assault her.

To start with, I sort of simply ignored her and seemed away. After which I used to be like, “no, I am not going to f***ing look away.” At that time, it was just like the struggle day nerves came visiting me in 10 seconds. I am like, okay, I’ll deal with this, proper? I used to be like, I’ll find yourself on WorldStar right this moment or one thing, I do not know. And I feel that sort of defused the scenario as a result of she wasn’t anticipating me to truly bodily struggle again. After which, that is when she left the prepare.

If there’s one factor Muay Thai has taught Jess, it is to be assured in her personal energy and id.

Perhaps that is a purpose why I’ve beloved combating, as a result of I could not struggle for myself verbally. So I at all times fought for myself bodily to defy these social norms, , and problem these society’s narratives about who I’m after I stepped into the ring. As a result of for those who advised my highschool self that I used to be going to, like, ever struggle within the ring, I might be like, “what are you speaking about?” Like, I used to be at all times the one being bullied, proper? And so now it is like even after I can be put down within the company office, like I used to be capable of rise up for myself or deal with it professionally as a result of I knew I might put them to sleep.

Jess, being the fighter that she is, believes that the answer is not to depend upon others, however to face up for ourselves and for one another.

We all know that is occurring. We all know there will likely be quite a lot of gaslighting as a result of that is simply the historical past of our society and our nation. However we’ve to return collectively and are available to one another’s support and help one another and know that there is a larger neighborhood that loves and embrace and protects. I feel all people ought to play an element in defending one another and searching for one another, interval. As a result of we will not make systemic adjustments in a single day and it is an ongoing battle and it is going to be a lifelong battle.

Now Jess is passing on what she’s realized to her neighborhood, empowering them to face up and, if crucial, defend themselves.

Prepared? One, two, three. (contributors screaming).

Again on the Care Truthful, Jess begins off the category with an train: use your voice actually as a weapon.

So you are going to step again after which convey your palms up. And you are going to yell, “cease.” For a depend of ten. One. (Cease!) Two. (Cease!) Three. (Cease!).

A giant half is to reclaim the ability that they have already got, that they at all times have had. As a result of, I imply, it is uncomfortable to simply stand there and yell as loud as you’ll be able to. However there is a confidence booster in that, as a result of it makes you comfy with being uncomfortable.

9. (Cease!) Final one, actual loud. Ten. (Cease!)

As Jess mentioned, combating racism is a lifelong battle. We will take self-defense lessons and we are able to discover methods to maintain ourselves secure, however it must transcend that. We do must care for ourselves and one another. So how will we do this? Professor Sherry Wang had some very helpful tricks to share with us. First, for individuals who relate to what we have been speaking about, who’re battling racial trauma., tip primary is to seek out no matter works for you.

Do what it’s essential do to really feel higher. That could possibly be, you simply wish to be alone for a bit. That is completely okay. You wish to cry? That is okay. You want possibly comedic aid so you’re watching humorous movies. That is okay too. You wish to speak to mates? That is okay. There is no such thing as a proper manner to reply to racial trauma.

Tip quantity two: discover neighborhood.

So fascinated with like with anti-Asian racism, having group counseling, proper? And even only a area for all Asian People, Asian People, particularly. For AAPI ladies even to speak about gender racism, we must be in communities with different individuals who will validate and help our ache, who will hearken to us.

Tip quantity three: In the event you do attain out for skilled psychological well being help, ensure to state your targets together with your supplier.

Making it clear from the outset that is what you wish to discuss. After which interviewing your clinician to ask like, “have you learnt discuss this? Are you able to discuss racial trauma with me?” I do know when I’ve sought out my very own remedy, it has been crucial for me from the get go to say I’ll discuss racism and I must just remember to can discuss this and might maintain this with me.

Tip quantity 4: if the information and social media is overwhelming, that it is okay to take a break. However do not go away eternally.

Tempo your self, however please come again. As a result of for those who actually swap issues off like eternally, then you definitely actually do not know what’s occurring in society. And if we do not know what’s occurring in society now, we will not make any adjustments in society.

This episode is not only for victims of trauma. It is also for everybody who generally is a higher ally. And Sherry says, tip quantity 5: be a supportive bystander.

We will advocate by filming an incident, by distracting a perpetrator, by organizing neighborhood occasions, writing grants, fundraising, constructing neighborhood coalitions, educating the individuals round us. There’s so some ways and even saying, “hey, what you simply mentioned to any person that is offensive.” It would not even must be a complete lengthy, like, spiel. It might simply be one thing like, “ooh, I do not suppose you must have mentioned that.” There’s so many behind the scenes issues that we are able to additionally do to essentially act on behalf and never be passive bystanders.

Quantity six: Hear. Like, actually pay attention.

When individuals come to you and open up to you one thing that’s so victimizing and traumatizing, it’s such an honor. And actually, all you are being requested to do is accompany them and hearken to them. So do not inform them what they should do or what they need to do. Do not inform them how they need to really feel, how they need to cope. It truly is about simply being there with them, supporting them, validating their experiences, validating the appropriateness of their responses.

You recognize, all through this episode and the dialog with Sherry, I used to be reflecting so much on the experiences I had rising up and navigating the world round me. And I will be trustworthy, for a few years I attempted merely to not suppose too onerous about a few of these racist experiences that I lived by. I feel I used to be simply attempting to outlive and get by. However now I am older and I am a dad or mum myself. I do notice it is necessary for all of us to acknowledge these situations of racism and to even discuss how they affect us. It is the one manner we are able to actually transfer ahead and begin to heal from them. I do take into consideration my three teenage daughters. I take into consideration my future grandkids, and I take into consideration the world during which they could develop up in. And I need it to be the sort of world that Sherry described, the sort of world the place everybody seems out for one another. A world stuffed with reciprocal altruism, not simply rugged individualism. And the factor is, that world is not going to simply magically seem in 30 years. It’ll take each one in every of us doing one thing, doing our half, and constructing it collectively. Tell us what you consider this episode. Did you study one thing new? I do know I’ve. File your ideas as a voice memo and electronic mail them to asksanjay@cnn.com, or give us a name at 470-396-0832 and go away a message. You can even tweet me @DrSanjayGupta. That is Dr. spelled “DR.” We would even embrace your responses on an upcoming episode of the podcast. We’ll be again subsequent Tuesday with an episode all in regards to the science of our intense feelings after we drive. Do you get highway rage or are you want me, somebody who finds peace behind the wheel? Discover out extra subsequent week. And thanks for listening. Chasing Life is a manufacturing of CNN Audio. Megan Marcus is our govt producer. Our podcast is produced by Emily Liu, Andrea Kane, Xavier Lopez, Isoke Samuel, Grace Walker and Allison Park. Tommy Bazarian is our engineer and a particular due to Ben Tinker, Amanda Sealey, Carolyn Sung and Nadia Kounang of CNN Well being. Rafeena Ahmad, Lindsey Abrams and Courtney Coupe from CNN Audio.